My point in bringing up Capcom was that some things take longer to get sequels - consider Tron!
kamonichan wrote:
Speaking of a theoretical Season Three, I'm curious what story arcs they would cover. Volume 6 is the natural continuation from Volume 5, but I'd really like to see Volume 4 animated.
If we backtrack, they'll never get to Yoitsu! Though it's a long way forward to 17 also. The question is - what to include and what to omit... Every director working from a previous source must make it... Also, for example the addition of Chloe really added something.
( Discussion of Book 6 )
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Perhaps they can edit out Col? The "Jar Jar" of S&W? The nautical setting is a new dimension, implied by the final frames of S2, I thought...
( Discussion of Book 4 )
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Seemed like repetition? The "Library Searching" and "Bar Crawling" has kind of been covered in S2, but the clever ending would be neat to see in animation, Miazaki style!
It's been covered in both seasons, really. :|.
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And, I kind of disagree that the ending of Volume 4 was all that interesting, how Lawrence managed to save the day with cookies.
However, volume 4 does at least explains to us why Holo changed her mind about God.
In season 1, Holo seems so sure that there wasn't a God and that the church's story about an all-knowing, all-powerful God being the creator of the universe was ludicrous. Yet, in the second half of season 2, she seems to have changed her mind for no apparent reason, as she questions the notion with Lawrence and wonders how He could allow people to suffer. Kind of throwing in some irony, considering how the villagers of Pasloe regarded her and what were her reasons for making some harvests poorer than others.
If you were only following the anime, you wouldn't know what caused this sudden change in Holo's opinion on monotheism. Volume 4 provides an explanation behind Holo's change in opinion. But, aside from that, the story in volume 4 isn't that well-written. It follows the same format that the earlier volumes followed.
Lawrence, being good with people, manages to charm his way into the hearts of the local villagers. Yet, because he is young and appears to be an easy target, a greedy fellow merchant tries to screw Lawrence over for personal gain, and sets him up. But, as usual, Lawrence's cunning saves the day again, and Holo doesn't have to resort to laying down a world of hurt on the villagers in her wolf-form after all.
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Yet, if it were that simple, then couldn't Lawrence just set up a shop somewhere else and sell cookies himself? He'd have enough money to buy his own store in no time. :D
PPS. Nice photo, WolfOfMonteCristo. Pretty funny. Did you come up with that?
He's actually the one who introduced me to Spice and Wolf, and cosplayed as Lawrence with me last time I cosplayed Holo. He actually started making a blog, but I don't know if he'll ever finish it. I have my doubts that anyone will make him a blog. It seems like most fanboys like to think Lawrence is dead, or out of the picture, so they can have a chance with Holo... who does not actually exist. It's pretty sad. Why can't they just live vicariously through Lawrence I consider him one of my husbando but I live vicariously through Holo because she's awesome XD And Lawrence is pretty cool too. He has to have some skills, he's not the best merchant but he has more money than the average person, just not enough to open a shop.
No, I doubt that. Although, I agree with you that Lawrence isn't followed by fans enough, I don't think that the reason behind it is because they secretely wish to be with Holo instead. Rather, I think that Lawrence is so different from your usual male protagonist in stories about super-heroes or gods is why most guys don't normally fantasize about being Lawrence.
One aspect that makes S&W so different from most stories is the fact that Holo is actually much more physically stronger than Lawrence due to her super-human/supernatural nature. Usually, it's the other way around in stories like these, partly because most guys would rather be able to physically protect their girl than their girl protecting them.
Yet, in spite of Holo's abilities, Lawrence still manages to fulfill his role as the protector by resorting to his intellect rather than his brawn. Which is a more realistic way to go about solving your problems than with violence.
Like, if you were going to be screwed you over in a legally-binding contract like Lawrence was going to be, then you can't just resolve the issue by picking up a sword and slashing your enemies to pieces - although, that would be nice. :D.
In real life, most people would just find themselves helpless in that kind of situation. And, if partnered up with a wolf-goddess like Holo, they would probably ask her to use her powers to save them.
Yet, Lawrence isn't a coward, and wouldn't run away or ask Holo to save him with her powers. Instead, he is determined to beat his enemies, and he succeeds because he manages to stay one step ahead of them. This is why a woman like Holo might fall for a guy like Lawrence, as she does state multiple times in story that this is the reason why she likes him so much.
Another thing that S&W differ from other stories like it is its economic take, especially in a Dark Ages type of setting. Most medieval-Europe type of fantasies tend to focus on the lives of knights and kings, as opposed to that of shrewd merchants.
I don't think that you read this post, but early on in this thread one poster actually complained about the economics take on the series and thought that they should have done away with that in the anime. But, I disagreed with that because that would remove all of the conflict and make the story entirely about Holo being a wolf-goddess. Which, would make the story really boring instead because good stories place their protagonist in some sort of conflict that gets the audience to root for the hero.
But, it's that uniqueness why I like S&W so much. And, I do like Lawrence because both for his strengths and short-comings. He is a pretty interesting character. And, I like the economic take on medieval Europe quite a bit. One might imagine how stressful times like then would be stressful on a common merchant, with little or no protection from the government for merchants and during a time when people tended to look down on merchants and favorably on warriors.
It's because of the series' economic take that I started becoming some what interested in economics. My current project places me with a client who is a major bank in the world. And, communicating with the staff there has taught me a few things about finances.
For instance, when my boss from the client company went on about placing your money in banks whose countries have a high interest rate carries alot of risk with it. Although, you stand to gain alot of money with the high interest, there's also a high risk of losing money because that country's currency is likely to devalue. Which, immediately reminded me of S&W, and the Trenni silver coins the currency was going to drop in value.
In real life, many people, if given the choice, tend to prefer trading in a country's currency if their currency is likely to be stable. I think that Hasekura probably used this modern day occurrence as inspiration for his medieval story.
integirl wrote:
He has to have some skills, he's not the best merchant but he has more money than the average person, just not enough to open a shop.
I would give Lawrence more credit than that. He doesn't own his own shop yet, but he's still young. And, even though he is inexperienced, he is still able to outsmart more experienced, successful merchants who view his youth and inexperience as a weakness and try to take advantage of that. Lawrence is clearly an underdog who rises to meets his challenges, which makes him so lovable.
I would say that many young men who are trying to build their careers in the modern world can relate to Lawrence in some way. For many young professionals, they may not be rich yet, but if they're talented enough then they will attain some degree of success in their lives.
For Lawrence, he was merely working his way up to owning his own shop so that he would have steady income and be able to provide for a family with some lucky lady one day. Many young men who are just starting out in the modern world might not want to have the same goal as Lawrence in mind, but the motivation behind it is still the same.
The truth is, we just don't know what these Japanese companies are up to, and considering the recent earthquake, tsunami, and radiation issues, who knows if they will even get to it.
That is true there are many animes that are suppose to have a season 3 but they have been delayed cause of what has happened there so we might not see a season three till next summer or possibly later than that but we shall see when it does get realeased.
The manga book continues so im sure there will be a season 3 just no idea when
If they haven't even started talks about production, then you likely won't see anything by the summer. Having a season 3 in Japanese by 2014 is being a bit optimistic.
And, depending on how the rest of the books sold in Japan will determine the likelihood of a third season. Likely, the first six volumes did really well and thus justified their making a third season.
However, if book sales from volumes 6 on up didn't improve significantly, then the S&W Committee will likely see that as a sign that a season 3 would be a waste of money.
The first five novels were obviously really good. But, that usual bar hopping, library reading does, angry villagers wanting people's heads, and dishonest merchants trying to screw Lawrence over can get pretty old really quick.
If Hasekura couldn't think of anything better than that, then it's likely that interest in the rest of the novels did die out and thus is why they haven't come up with a third season yet.
Like I said in an earlier post, introducing a male wolf-god would be an interesting twist in the story. It would break from the usual conflict in that Lawrence would have to actually compete with an immortal over Holo's affection.
But, I haven't read the later volumes, as I can't read Japanese, so I don't know if that's what Hasekura did or not. My biggest fear is that he just takes the audience on more side-stories through most of the novels and then Holo and Lawrence finally catch up to Eve Boland by the fourteenth or fifteenth volume!
That's the kind of thing that would make someone lose interest in the story. I mean, 17 volumes is quite a bit for them just to make it back to Holo's home town. The fact that it took so many volumes does worry me. It seems like you would be able to tell the entire story in just 7 or 8 volumes - not 17.
Another fear of mine is that Hasekura got lazy after the sixth volume and kind of just threw random ideas in the majority of the following volumes. And, because he too so long to get around to completing the story, readers in Japan became fed up with the story and book sales plummeted afterward.
I don't intend to buy the side-story novels. And, I haven't bought the sixth volume because I heard that they don't find Eve but go on some side adventure with some random kid. But, after reading about a summary of volume 6, I think that it might not be so bad and might buy it and read it after all.
But, I'm getting annoyed by the slow progress of the novel translations and how I just want to know how the story ends without someone spoiling it for me. And, because I think that most people are probably like me, and don't want to be dragged around on random side-stories, that I do worry about how well the rest of the volumes will sell in the English-speaking world.
for the love of... Holo! stop spamming please. i keep freaking out that something major has happened with S&W. so just stop.
btw... its 2012... just a heads up it will be official that the next manga, book, novel or what ever will be done being translated by the end of the year.... lets hope for the best.
Lettuce Turnip The Beet
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Anime Vixens
No matter how amazing they are, they will always have atleast 1 weakness.
and it's usualy food...... *looks at Shanna, Holo, and C2*
for the love of... Holo! stop spamming please. i keep freaking out that something major has happened with S&W. so just stop.
btw... its 2012... just a heads up it will be official that the next manga, book, novel or what ever will be done being translated by the end of the year.... lets hope for the best.
Lettuce Turnip The Beet
GIve me a break. I haven't been on this thread in almost a year. I know that you don't like me because I keep correcting your grammar and spelling, but you can leave me alone and let me voice my opinions, can't you? :D
My apologies, I didn't read those ginormous posts, though I'm sure everyone involved had an intelligent, civil discussion about our favorite harvest deity. That said, addressing the publishing company, I didn't know how long the manga was going. Mostly I just assumed that it was ongoing in Japan. A little sad to know it will end by December 2013.
On the bright side, in 2013 we look forward to three novels total, rather than just two. Yen Press got the rights for volume 7-9, as well as permission to release them a little faster. Holo certainly works in mysterious ways.
Again on something I didn't know previously, Yen Press hasn't licensed the entire series. A little odd, at least to me. Still, the fact that they bought the publishing rights is a good sign. I'm personally hoping that, aside from continuing with Spice & Wolf, they also pick up a few other light novels I've had to find fanslations for. The translators are good, but nothing beats holding the thing in your hand. And not having weird formatting and the like.
My apologies, I didn't read those ginormousawsome posts, though I'm sure everyone involved had an intelligent, civil discussion about our favorite harvest deity. That said, addressing the publishing company, I didn't know how long the manga was going. Mostly I just assumed that it was ongoing in Japan. A little sad to know it will end by December 2013.
On the bright side, in 2013 we look forward to three novels total, rather than just two. Yen Press got the rights for volume 7-9, as well as permission to release them a little faster. Holo certainly works in mysterious ways.
Again on something I didn't know previously, Yen Press hasn't licensed the entire series. A little odd, at least to me. Still, the fact that they bought the publishing rights is a good sign. I'm personally hoping that, aside from continuing with Spice & Wolf, they also pick up a few other light novels I've had to find fanslations for. The translators are good, but nothing beats holding the thing in your hand. And not having weird formatting and the like.
At least, this time, I found a way to make my extra-long posts more noticeable.
I'm sure that it can get annoying to have my doing this, but I'll try to limit the number of times I write like this.
I'm just trying some things out here on this forum,
I'm mostly just lazy. I see a wall of text and think, "Umm, maybe later..." Not exactly the the best, or politest, decision I could make, but I'll just trust that no one is going to mail fire to my house. Customizing text is pretty awesome, but make sure the colors make for easy reading. That white-on-light-gray is hard to make out. Everything else looks good, though. Going back to the longer posts, I'll go back and read them just so I can pretend I know what people said.
131 pages of S&W love... almost 131 pgaes any ways. id say were really on 128... anyways. ya liars tryed to send something to me threw PM, idk wut it was. but i did the same to him... but a little worse.
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Anime Vixens
No matter how amazing they are, they will always have atleast 1 weakness.
and it's usualy food...... *looks at Shanna, Holo, and C2*
131 pages of S&W love... almost 131 pgaes any ways. id say were really on 128... anyways. ya liars tryed to send something to me threw PM, idk wut it was. but i did the same to him... but a little worse.
I tried reading your post, but all that I got was a 503 error from the server. Was that you?
It's doubtful that it would be because it's a server error, but if you did do it then that would be awesome. :D. All that I had was some HTML "hacks" - which really aren't hacks at all.
But, with how unreliable the Funimation server is, I wouldn't be surprised if that was just the server being broken again. :|.
No, I doubt that. Although, I agree with you that Lawrence isn't followed by fans enough, I don't think that the reason behind it is because they secretely wish to be with Holo instead. Rather, I think that Lawrence is so different from your usual male protagonist in stories about super-heroes or gods is why most guys don't normally fantasize about being Lawrence.
One aspect that makes S&W so different from most stories is the fact that Holo is actually much more physically stronger than Lawrence due to her super-human/supernatural nature. Usually, it's the other way around in stories like these, partly because most guys would rather be able to physically protect their girl than their girl protecting them.
Yet, in spite of Holo's abilities, Lawrence still manages to fulfill his role as the protector by resorting to his intellect rather than his brawn. Which is a more realistic way to go about solving your problems than with violence.
Like, if you were going to be screwed you over in a legally-binding contract like Lawrence was going to be, then you can't just resolve the issue by picking up a sword and slashing your enemies to pieces - although, that would be nice. :D.
In real life, most people would just find themselves helpless in that kind of situation. And, if partnered up with a wolf-goddess like Holo, they would probably ask her to use her powers to save them.
Yet, Lawrence isn't a coward, and wouldn't run away or ask Holo to save him with her powers. Instead, he is determined to beat his enemies, and he succeeds because he manages to stay one step ahead of them. This is why a woman like Holo might fall for a guy like Lawrence, as she does state multiple times in story that this is the reason why she likes him so much.
Another thing that S&W differ from other stories like it is its economic take, especially in a Dark Ages type of setting. Most medieval-Europe type of fantasies tend to focus on the lives of knights and kings, as opposed to that of shrewd merchants.
I don't think that you read this post, but early on in this thread one poster actually complained about the economics take on the series and thought that they should have done away with that in the anime. But, I disagreed with that because that would remove all of the conflict and make the story entirely about Holo being a wolf-goddess. Which, would make the story really boring instead because good stories place their protagonist in some sort of conflict that gets the audience to root for the hero.
But, it's that uniqueness why I like S&W so much. And, I do like Lawrence because both for his strengths and short-comings. He is a pretty interesting character. And, I like the economic take on medieval Europe quite a bit. One might imagine how stressful times like then would be stressful on a common merchant, with little or no protection from the government for merchants and during a time when people tended to look down on merchants and favorably on warriors.
It's because of the series' economic take that I started becoming some what interested in economics. My current project places me with a client who is a major bank in the world. And, communicating with the staff there has taught me a few things about finances.
For instance, when my boss from the client company went on about placing your money in banks whose countries have a high interest rate carries alot of risk with it. Although, you stand to gain alot of money with the high interest, there's also a high risk of losing money because that country's currency is likely to devalue. Which, immediately reminded me of S&W, and the Trenni silver coins the currency was going to drop in value.
In real life, many people, if given the choice, tend to prefer trading in a country's currency if their currency is likely to be stable. I think that Hasekura probably used this modern day occurrence as inspiration for his medieval story.
I would give Lawrence more credit than that. He doesn't own his own shop yet, but he's still young. And, even though he is inexperienced, he is still able to outsmart more experienced, successful merchants who view his youth and inexperience as a weakness and try to take advantage of that. Lawrence is clearly an underdog who rises to meets his challenges, which makes him so lovable.
I would say that many young men who are trying to build their careers in the modern world can relate to Lawrence in some way. For many young professionals, they may not be rich yet, but if they're talented enough then they will attain some degree of success in their lives.
For Lawrence, he was merely working his way up to owning his own shop so that he would have steady income and be able to provide for a family with some lucky lady one day. Many young men who are just starting out in the modern world might not want to have the same goal as Lawrence in mind, but the motivation behind it is still the same.
If they haven't even started talks about production, then you likely won't see anything by the summer. Having a season 3 in Japanese by 2014 is being a bit optimistic.
And, depending on how the rest of the books sold in Japan will determine the likelihood of a third season. Likely, the first six volumes did really well and thus justified their making a third season.
However, if book sales from volumes 6 on up didn't improve significantly, then the S&W Committee will likely see that as a sign that a season 3 would be a waste of money.
The first five novels were obviously really good. But, that usual bar hopping, library reading does, angry villagers wanting people's heads, and dishonest merchants trying to screw Lawrence over can get pretty old really quick.
If Hasekura couldn't think of anything better than that, then it's likely that interest in the rest of the novels did die out and thus is why they haven't come up with a third season yet.
Like I said in an earlier post, introducing a male wolf-god would be an interesting twist in the story. It would break from the usual conflict in that Lawrence would have to actually compete with an immortal over Holo's affection.
But, I haven't read the later volumes, as I can't read Japanese, so I don't know if that's what Hasekura did or not. My biggest fear is that he just takes the audience on more side-stories through most of the novels and then Holo and Lawrence finally catch up to Eve Boland by the fourteenth or fifteenth volume!
That's the kind of thing that would make someone lose interest in the story. I mean, 17 volumes is quite a bit for them just to make it back to Holo's home town. The fact that it took so many volumes does worry me. It seems like you would be able to tell the entire story in just 7 or 8 volumes - not 17.
Another fear of mine is that Hasekura got lazy after the sixth volume and kind of just threw random ideas in the majority of the following volumes. And, because he too so long to get around to completing the story, readers in Japan became fed up with the story and book sales plummeted afterward.
I don't intend to buy the side-story novels. And, I haven't bought the sixth volume because I heard that they don't find Eve but go on some side adventure with some random kid. But, after reading about a summary of volume 6, I think that it might not be so bad and might buy it and read it after all.
But, I'm getting annoyed by the slow progress of the novel translations and how I just want to know how the story ends without someone spoiling it for me. And, because I think that most people are probably like me, and don't want to be dragged around on random side-stories, that I do worry about how well the rest of the volumes will sell in the English-speaking world.
for the love of... Holo! stop spamming please. i keep freaking out that something major has happened with S&W. so just stop.
btw... its 2012... just a heads up it will be official that the next manga, book, novel or what ever will be done being translated by the end of the year.... lets hope for the best.
Lettuce Turnip The Beet
Anime Vixens
No matter how amazing they are, they will always have atleast 1 weakness.
and it's usualy food...... *looks at Shanna, Holo, and C2*
GIve me a break. I haven't been on this thread in almost a year. I know that you don't like me because I keep correcting your grammar and spelling, but you can leave me alone and let me voice my opinions, can't you? :D
My apologies, I didn't read those ginormous posts, though I'm sure everyone involved had an intelligent, civil discussion about our favorite harvest deity. That said, addressing the publishing company, I didn't know how long the manga was going. Mostly I just assumed that it was ongoing in Japan. A little sad to know it will end by December 2013.
On the bright side, in 2013 we look forward to three novels total, rather than just two. Yen Press got the rights for volume 7-9, as well as permission to release them a little faster. Holo certainly works in mysterious ways.
Again on something I didn't know previously, Yen Press hasn't licensed the entire series. A little odd, at least to me. Still, the fact that they bought the publishing rights is a good sign. I'm personally hoping that, aside from continuing with Spice & Wolf, they also pick up a few other light novels I've had to find fanslations for. The translators are good, but nothing beats holding the thing in your hand. And not having weird formatting and the like.
kamonichan wrote:
At least, this time, I found a way to make my extra-long posts more noticeable.
I'm sure that it can get annoying to have my doing this, but I'll try to limit the number of times I write like this.
I'm mostly just lazy. I see a wall of text and think, "Umm, maybe later..." Not exactly the the best, or politest, decision I could make, but I'll just trust that no one is going to mail fire to my house. Customizing text is pretty awesome, but make sure the colors make for easy reading. That white-on-light-gray is hard to make out. Everything else looks good, though. Going back to the longer posts, I'll go back and read them just so I can pretend I know what people said.
131 pages of S&W love... almost 131 pgaes any ways. id say were really on 128... anyways. ya liars tryed to send something to me threw PM, idk wut it was. but i did the same to him... but a little worse.
Anime Vixens
No matter how amazing they are, they will always have atleast 1 weakness.
and it's usualy food...... *looks at Shanna, Holo, and C2*
I tried reading your post, but all that I got was a 503 error from the server. Was that you?
It's doubtful that it would be because it's a server error, but if you did do it then that would be awesome. :D. All that I had was some HTML "hacks" - which really aren't hacks at all.
But, with how unreliable the Funimation server is, I wouldn't be surprised if that was just the server being broken again. :|.